PES2021

Smells Like Team Spirit

Apologies for the missing post last week, i planned to post it up Friday, but after rewiring all my gaming/cinema room tech due to fitting a new surge protected socket, I then went to fire up the gaming PC and couldn’t get a signal out of it, spent 45 mins turning it on, off, etc but no good, and due to other things I had to do, I had to leave it.

Turns out where Id moved stuff about, the HDMI cable had pulled out of the back of the AV receiver that the PC runs into, that was all, Schoolboy !

Been a busy week so not that much to report on the ML front, I removed the game play patch I was using, it does some good things, but also introduces other issues which were agitating me, so back on Konami Vanilla GP.

Team Spirit (TS) is slowly increasing, and it really is a ball ache to play ML with a TS rating under 75, even there its a bit shoddy still, it affects runs, positioning, passes, tackles, everything, and not surprisingly, as my TS has increased, results have started picking up a bit, including a 3-0 away demolition of Chelsea, who were sat in 3rd place.

Europa League Spots are going to be our best hope this season I feel use it as a springboard, sign some better quality and give it a go next season.
We need some better quality out wide on both flanks, as I prefer to play Saint-Maximin as a Support Striker, using his pace to get in behind.
We’ve had a bid for Rafinha of Leeds Utd accepted, he will join in January, which will give us more pace on the right side.

It is still such a joy to play PES21 with its slower more considered game play, after the frantic rush and attack of FIFA 22, but I’m still getting caught out by the FIFA muscle memory, and the way you need to play PES is vastly different.
Its a nice thing to have a PES modded up ML on the burner though to pick up and play when the urge arises.

I also downloaded Madden 22, I got it free as a subscriber to EA play, the presentation is superb, so detailed, and I enjoyed the few games I play, I just have absolutely no clue which play to pick and when so mainly play a passing game, going for the hollywood touchdown pass everytime.

A small handful of goals, nothing special but a nice variation from my last couple of games:

136 thoughts on “Smells Like Team Spirit”

  1. Btw – that’s shocking to hear regarding efootball shizzle 23. I thought it had improved greatly from what I’ve read one evoweb but I guess not.

    I’m glad pes21 is still a really, really solid game. Collecting and using your own mods is also something I enjoy greatly about the whole experience.

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  2. FIFA 23 seems to be getting a pretty good reception all round, at least the gameplay and career mode. I sometimes watch ‘spoonypizzas’ youtube videos despite his silly name and he thinks it is really decent. Certainly compared to his efootball23 footage which looked dreadful, churning gameplay with no player individuality

    my own PES21 ML now in season 4 but taken a turn for the worse. After 3 seasons of progressive improvement (17th, 8th, 4th in D2) and assembling an excellent squad the new one got off to a mixed start (2-1-3 in league but 4-0 win versus D1 team in cup) and I am suddenly hit with ‘win next game or you’re sacked’ from chairman. Seemed a little unnecessary. Not sure if I’ll go all the way back to the start or jump to FIFA23 if the fateful match is not won this evening

    Quite enjoying Cyberpunk but now find I’m missing Elden Ring! Struggling to settle on a game…..

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  3. Abbeyhill; do you have FIFA already? if not id stick with pes21 for now…it really is a very solid game even on vanilla gameplay. Perhaps swoop up FIFA when it’s cheaper. As far as Elden Ring goes; I was much in the same place, it kept calling me even immediately after I finished it. In fact I started a new game just to test out a build and ended up playing that over God of War. Close to finishing it a second time. I only ever had that with Skyrim way back in 2011.

    Also, Paul or anyone else; is anyone a skilled kitmaker for PES2021 and still making kits? I recently came across this https://www.footyheadlines.com/2022/10/how-the-arsenal-kit-look-like-in-2029-30.html

    I found myself drooling over the middle kit in the first pic (or the top left one in the second pic), the one by “RtxJC Kits”. I’d actually pay money if someone had the skills to make that!

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  4. I still play my ps4 PES 2021 a lot and love it and I think of my modded PC PES 2021 as PES 2023. I have the virtua red patch, its one of the versions from a year ago with all the stadium in it bt I don’t update it as I don’t want to even try to keep up with updating it, takes too much time. Also with a modded .exe file that I got from somewhere and cannot remember where! it makes all the bodies heavir and the ball too, not by a lot but enough to make it a different game. I keep meaning to create my own splash intro screen for the saying PES 2023, it is easy from what I can see, but have not fuond the time yet. I tried the FIFa 23 and it is quite good, but how after a few updates… nop I am not doing that again!

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  5. Eventful few weeks – went to Lithuania via Amsterdam, had a week long tour of the country and came back with Covid. Relatively similar to previous episodes physically – heavy cold, etc – but it absolutely scrambled my head – huge mood swings. At one point I wanted to go out for a walk in the rain as I felt like a 16 year old EMO kid! Then had a family holiday in Mallorca where the unseasonably high temperatures meant everyone got shredded by mosquitos. Feeling better now but still rooted on UT – I think it’s that ‘the next pack might be the one’ despite not spending any money on it and having no inclination to ever go online. I honestly don’t know why I’m carrying on – it’s ultimately hollow, like Fortnite and all of these get reward things that never finish. I think I’m likely to start a Tomb Raider/Far Cry type effort soon just to have a game with a start and end point.

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  6. wow that sounds quite an experience, Turf. Are you sure that Covid was all you picked up in Amsterdam? We took to Belfast for an autumn holiday, still not sure why. Impressed by the amount of time you are sinking into UT. I guess ‘ultimately hollow’ doesn’t really matter as long as you’re enjoying it; none of us are playing games as part of some personal development plan

    I’m still on PES2021, frustrated by the difficulty and AI at times but still a great game. Adriano/#1 – was wondering if you’ve heard of or played Football Life 2023 yet? Apparently it’s a fan made attempt at an old-school offline PES, basically a heavily modded PES2021. Getting some rave reviews so far

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  7. abbey hill, I played fl2023 just last night after seein and hearing many of the talk about it all, I am suprised no pes fan has tried doing this yet, making our own new pes games going forward is the way!

    fL2023 is Pes 2021 with some of passing and shooting changed, enough to make it a new game? Almost, yes, and it reminds me of pes6 in how loose it feels compared to pes 2021, and I played a lot of 2021 so there is a diferenca. eg passing is much heavyer, you have to press longer to shoot the ball and so.

    and the AI seemed harder to me as well, I lost 0-2 in a Professional level match that I deliebrately treated as if it was a new pes game from scratch, as it always used to be at this time of the year 😦

    overall it is a worth a look

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  8. the installation tho, is horrible, one of those were you have to download it in 8 or 9 parts from a horible site with adverts, and each part is 2 or 3 gb so it is a trail, my dl speed is not much and it took 1 hour 30 to get all. Hipefully someobe will make a torrent of it.

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  9. Wasn’t there a never quite finished, No Man’s Sky type hyped game called Football Life years ago – back when the metaverse wasn’t so named? Seem to recall adverts for living the life of a footballer like Second Life. Fifa UT drawing to a close for me, maybe 2 offline games a day. Mini turf hates it so got to be career soon.

    Sorry Abbeyhill I have no idea what you’re on about – I absolutely include gameplay improvement as part of my annual uni appraisal, they just don’t know that’s what I’m referring to when I fill in the generically bland statements. And I was only in Amsterdam for a few hours – enough to pay way over the odds for a cheese roll and a drink but little else. Never been to Belfast – really struggling to think where to go this coming year – got to be entertaining for a young teen but not full of the Brits on the lash or be so devoid of historical/cultural interest that we feel like it’s a hot version of Centerparcs. Getting nowhere fast.

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  10. Btw the fifa World Cup free update is the difference between EA and the last dregs of what Konami was. PES would have been a buy option, delivered in March. This looks spot on – for those who are bothered about this World Cup. (I’m not).

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  11. abbeyhill – havent tried that yet but people on evoweb are enthusiastic about it. are saves transferrable? I also read that you have to import your own player faces and whatnot. curious what the hype is about but am not keen on going on those shitty ad-riddled sites and going through that bullshit again…

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  12. #1 FL 2023 is esentialy pes 2021 with many of the input values tweaked, not much more than what you could do yourself in a mod, im a bit confused about the fuss over it to be hinest. I think they have done a good job making the game handle differently and it might be to your taste. I tink there might be differences with the AI as I got killed by the AI on Professional in my test exhibitions. I’m keeping it on my hard drive for sure, if nothing else it’s a sttement that the pes fandom is not going to mod 2021 forever, we’re going to try to make our own pes! i cant believe konami would be happy, but i don’t know of any legal stuff yet

    Don’t know if pes 2021 saves can be transferred, i wouldn’t want to anyway, best treat it like it reallyis pes 2023! if you remmeber the feel of a new pes game every Fall, it does have that new pes feel.

    the facepacks are all 20gb or more, no way i’m touching them yet, it was anoyying enough getting the game from the advert sites, if somebody makes a torrent of the game it would be much better

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  13. thanks Adriano, even from watching footage on youtube the gameplay on FL2023 looked quite distinct from PES2021, slower and more weighty. Possibly a bit more variety in AI attacks? As you say the download and installation looks a right pain but it’s great to have a ‘new’ PES designed for people like us as an option

    Turf – I’ve never been more uninterested or cynical about a World Cup, particularly as the real football business of Ipswich’s League 1 promotion campaign continues alongside. No idea who is in England’s group. Owing to the timing of the matches however suspect I’ll end up half-watching a lot of it throughout afternoons in the office

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  14. Adriano- thanks for that. Apparently the gameplay differences come from a modified dt18 file and nothing more. Someone on evoweb was so kind to share it with me, so I will be trying this tonight. Changes in a dt18 file tend to “stick” a bit more than changes in the exe in my opinion so perhaps this’ll save the game for me. If it is indeed challenging on professional, then that’s right up my alley.

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  15. #1 take into account i am biased as i don’t believe pes 2021 needs to be saved, to me it is the greatest pes of the console gen, so a mod on pc goes up against that. i love the pc platform now. I have been playing more of FL2023 and it is challenging on professional because of the changed values, i think, difficult to see any real change in ai (which i say again is not “broken!” to me!)

    despite my dounts with fl 2023 i love the idea of it and wanted to support it by sitting for 2 damn hours getting all the files from an advert site. We need pes to survive in some way as there is nothing else yet. efootball when it gets master league is the last chance. i have quite liked efootball gameplay when i have tried it but there is nothing to do with it yet

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  16. Abbeyhill – it’s a shame as the match times are very agreeable for working from home but not only can I not be enthusiastic about the venue, process of choosing it, messages from FIFA, etc etc but I find this England team has gone from youthful optimism to same old same. The suggestion that Southgate picks players on form dies immediately when you see Maguire in the squad. Still at least Paul had the joyous T20 World Cup to follow. Bet he’s still on cloud 9 about that…

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  17. Adriano – appreciate the sentiment, unfortunately I think anything above professional is nigh unplayable. I tried the fl23 mod; it seems to heavily influence the passage of play by drastically slowing down passing speed and accuracy and doing something with turning speed. I appreciate the endgoal but I don’t prefer the way of going about it. Feels like I’m passing through treacle though overall games definitely are more enjoyable. Gonna keep looking..

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  18. #1, my genuine opinion is that FL 2023 is a pretty decent standalone mod for the game but I am astonished about the enthusia for it by the community, and I think I know whay it is – people who are “amazed” about FL2023 are reacting well to ***pes 2021*** which many have never given a proper chance to. It is all about the politiccs of soccer gaming. E.g. if eFootball somehow turned to the greatest game ever made (just pretend it will lol) there are so so many who will never be able to admit it because of the way things are right now and have been for the past year or two. pes 2021 hassome of that from the community, theres a sort of ‘i’m now too cool for this’ weird thing, i see it all the time from friends who used to play and love pes in real life and would love pes 2021, but it’s impossible for them to change now, all very weird

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  19. Adriano , really? I happily move between the two depending which one is better. I remember the whole fifa vs pes thing was way more happening 10 years ago or thereabouts …maybe I’m just out of the loop.

    On another note I caved because fifa23 was on discount. Got it for ps5. Played with a mate yesterday. I was shocked at how bad it is. Super fast and slidey, shooting and passing feels so very off. And the weird thing is, animations feel very stilted and choppy. Almost cut off mid animation. It all made for a very odd experience, it feels like the game has regressed massively. Even fifa 22 seems miles ahead.

    I’ll give it a good go on career mode with sliders but as it is, I’m not touching this with a ten foot pole for now. Going back to my pes21 ML.

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  20. Poor World Cup. I also think EA have patched FIFA to be faster and a bit more chaotic – some strange ball physics going on for me at the moment,

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  21. Wow. I applied the FIFA community sliders and it’s still shockingly bad. Utter garbage. There is no feel to it at all whatsoever. All my opinion of course but I can’t even get through one game.

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  22. Merry Christmas all in case I don’t pass here again before the big day. May Santa empty his sack all over you.

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  23. And exactly the same back to you Chris! Likewise Paul, Turf, #1, Adriano, Werd, Darryl and anyone still checking in on here (loved that Rice howitzer the other day not-Greg….)

    after many months and innumerable restarts I at last got my Rodez team promoted on PES2021 superstar last night, season 4, absolutely delighted. Eventually settled on some formations and tactics that worked. Of the defaults obviously Arcas and Castledine are key, and still got Jarvis coming on as sub for the occasional crucial goal plus Rice with his 85 ball-winning stat is the perfect midfield sub to close out a game. And Melikov remains a great back-up goalie – I do like to hang onto an ageing keeper well past his best, partly for personal reasons

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  24. hello all and bets wishes for the period (i am happy it is near over, where i am nothing moves)

    on christmas Day I tried FIFA 23 again for the first in a while and what EA do their gme over this period has to b a crime. Only have digital version so i was tied to patched. It was decent game in relese Spetember. Now I don’t think i will ever play it again!

    there is nothing else but PES 2021. I think if they get master league out of efootball in the spring as they say they will then there might be another football game, but pes 2021 is everything right now

    i keep restarting as my local team osasuna and playing them all the way to champions league. different rules, example this time no players over 75 ovr ever, and it is hardest ever. pes 2021 is the greatest pes ever and i thought that in 2021 not just becase ive played it for 3 years!

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  25. Happy New Year all. I echo Adriano2’s comments – yet again Fifa have patched it to the generic fast one route game. I started a new career at a low level in a single league country to try and offset the worst of it but tbh I’ve not looked at it for weeks. Skyrim has been the game of the Christmas holidays – finishing off the many quests that I never got round to – those that are not bugged of course. Anniversary edition and still the glitches that stop you completing some tasks exist. Mini turf got a Switch and it looks of sufficient interest to me that I might go Zelda ing again one day.

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  26. Abbeyhill – I’ve been reflecting on your post (I still have 2021 installed). 4 seasons? and this was in England 2? on Superstar? With some element of purity restart fury thrown in? 4 seasons isn’t bad when compared with NG’s rock n goal years effort but potentially the restarts make that about 8 seasons of round the houses frustration. Sounds like a challenge to be taken up though – I’ve been promoted and relegated back down before season 3 in the past. And I always sell Arcas and Castledine if I get good offers.

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  27. Happy New Year everyone!

    Adriano, I am inclined to agree. Looking at my Steam end of year stats I spent 59% of my PC gaming time in 2022 on PES2021, a startling proportion, and can see why you have kept going for three years with multiple master leagues.

    I celebrated my promotion, and also improving my Prisoner to 44 on Elden Ring, by taking a break and playing some other games for a bit over Christmas. Bought FIFA23 for my son and started a career mode with Ipswich myself. Dear oh dear what the hell is going on here? FIFA19 was a brilliant game and 20/21 weren’t bad but this is a monstrosity. Loose imprecise controls, horrible player movement, a shapeless mass of formations on the pitch, constant turnovers, not a trace of player individuality beyond some being faster than others, absolute shit. Alex Scott’s goal updates are the only thing I liked. Meanwhile my son started a player career and by November in the first season has levelled himself up from 69 OVR to 79. Remarkable.

    Enjoying some of the other games though – Cyberpunk, Grounded, Pentiment, Strange Horticulture. Even efootball doesn’t play too bad, at least compared to FIFA, and might be interesting when we get a master league

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  28. Turf – great, look forward to hearing how you get on! Was certainly a lot more than 8 seasons equivalent for me, maybe more like 20-30, certainly a vast amount of time. Loads of voluntary restarts where the team was going badly wrong but I couldn’t be bothered waiting for the sack. Months where nothing seemed to work. Superstar in French league 2, no patches or option files etc. Best of luck!

    Delighted to hear the new Switch going well, plenty of life in that console left and it even plays Skyrim

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  29. Ah, French league 2, that has been a tough one for me in previous Pes’s. I had set up a game as Blackburn, but no real enthusiasm for them so I will delete and create a new one with someone with a natty strip in the Dordogne (I have the kits/badges/real names pack installed but otherwise it’s out of the box PS4). Fifa wasn’t that bad for me at the start but with them being the opposite of Konami they are regularly patching it. I suspect the loud online community are the only voices listened to so it gets ever faster, ever more formulaic, a case of having this year’s fast striker or die.

    Skyrim anniversary really sets the standard for bugged gameplay though. Some of the quests I’m only finding now as they rely a lot on reading notes/journals. Except it’s possible to already visit those areas and kill whoever the note wants you to kill. And if you have there’s no way of finishing the quest. I must have a dozen in my list that I can never remove. It does, however, keep reminding me of why I was disappointed with online – the isolation, the random encounters, the ability to avoid fighting if you want to live that way.

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  30. Auxerre started. I’d forgotten how few players you can recruit with the tiny wage budget and awful defaults. I’ve got a modest striker in with a very low release price and hoping for a defender as well. Fifa is much easier to improve the starting squad. This could be tough…

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  31. uncle turf, the gret thing about 2021 and the master liga is how much it is like the playstation 2 master leages. have to work hard to pick up a few good players in and work with the few good players already in the defaults, it is possible to be sacked out of the blue. I always thought playstation 2 game overs when u ran out of the Points was harsh but the sack system in 2021 ml is more harsh. It took me a long ime to get from start to liga title and europe without sack as i always start again if sackd.

    the obvious stars you start with , arcas castledene etc, i sell now when i restart as i know them too well. With the money you can get your own stars from somewhere. But if you’ree starting out they are great! match winners

    I plan a pause2021 after my present career, i think efootball master leage is out in april and it will be good timing. if its crap tho i will be back on 2021. I dunno how but i have a feeling itll be good

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  32. Dear God, I’d forgotten how hard PES 2021 is. Fifa’s budget and ease of transfers has spoiled me. I think this version has the biggest gulf between defaults (who are almost all awful) and the opponents at SuperStar level. Rather than two teams of 60-70 players it’s like 50ovr vs 80ovr. First match I managed 1 shot. Second was a thumping in the cup. Third I celebrated a 0-0. I’ve bought a few players simply to try and get some sort of joy out of the first season as otherwise it’s going to be like hauling rocks up a slide.

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  33. First seven games have yielded precisely one goal – a bundled in rebound from a keeper flap. I now recall what annoyed Paul the most I think, and have to concur it’s a ridiculous feature – the ease at which you are knocked off the ball by the AI. No matter what the match up they seem to keep you on the edge of the box and then nudge you out of possession. In those seven games there has been one free kick. I’m surprised NG has been able to continue and not revert to an earlier PES where they at least recognise the law. Yes, to be sure, I don’t love the game, but I’m going to persist because there must be something in it at a later stage. The long rangers NG sticks on YouTube alone.

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  34. well, sorry to hear you’re not enjoying PES2021 Turf but in a way relieved that it was not just me being rubbish! One of the toughest PESs ever to become competitive with the defaults, maybe even the toughest. Reminds me quite a lot of PES2011, getting so easily nudged out of possession. I find your archetype tricky AMF/SS with speed, dribbling, great passing and ten Player Skills to be entirely useless here, they lose the ball as soon as defenders look at them. You want a squad of big rugged battlers with high physical contact stats, players with character and determination who will fight their way through.

    That being said, I suspect not-Greg is not rattling in these 41 yarders on superstar….

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  35. Yes, I remembered NG was always dismissive of his ability and didn’t mind being a top player who occasionally stepped up only to drop down again (the purity gods howled at that one). I actually quit this afternoon amidst a horrendous series of performances – one goal scored in 11 matches, a truly worst ever effort. I immediately restarted as auxerre with the intention of not spreading my money so thinly, biding my time to buy one long term, top quality player every so often. Basically because there’s so little difference between a Jarvis and a 70odd striker that all I’m doing is wasting budget. I’m not giving up on this one but suspect I could be in for a long wait like you abbeyhill.

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  36. yeah that resonates – during the months it took me to get to grips with PES2021 there were several times it almost got deleted from the hard drive. Although of course it made the eventual promotion season pre-Christmas one of the sweetest ever. Personally don’t think the problem is the defaults per se (I still have Jarvis), it’s just the tactics and formations that work are completely different from any other PES.

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